Holocaust
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Comment by Bill Davis on April 20th, 2011 at 3:54 am
In the section of the Holocaust article called “Death Toll” there are some inconsistencies. Germany is listed as having 210,000 Jews living there in 1939 and 135,000 murdered, 90%. 135/210 = 64%. Either the number murdered is too low or the percentage is wrong. Also Lithuania is listed as 15,000 in 1939 and 135,000 murdered, 90%. Probably the 1939 number should be 150,000 as 135/150 is 90%.
Comment by Jennifer Tanabe on September 7th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Thank you for your comment. Indeed the figures were wrong in the table. The table has been revised with more accurate numbers.
Comment by Jim Przedzienkowski on September 7th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
The statement ‘Polish camps were Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka’ is very troubling coming from an organization established as “New World Encyclopedia’. You must know that the Nazi Germans established the ‘camps’ on occupied Polish soil. They were not Polish as stated by you. Please change the reference so that users of your service will get the correct information, and not a distorted and incorrect view.
Comment by Jennifer Tanabe on September 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Thank you for your feedback. The statement has been revised to more accurately reflect the fact that the camps were not Polish but rather established by German Nazis on occupied Polish soil.
Comment by Edith Shaked on March 31st, 2014 at 2:09 am
Your definition of “Holocaust’ is not clearly written.
Shoah or Jewish Holocaust: It is the attempt to annihilate the Jewish people, as stated by Avner Shalev, director of Yad Vashem in June 2013.
Holocaust: It was the state-sponsored systematic persecution and murder of millions of Jews, Christian and others, on political, ideological, and behavioral ground, because of who they were and because of what they did, in Europe, inclusive of European territories of French North Africa and Italian Libya, and in Iraq (Farhud). By war’s end, in 1945, almost six million Jews and millions of others had perished in the Holocaust.
Comment by Edith Shaked on March 31st, 2014 at 2:18 am
As the war started, large massacres of Jews took place, and, by December 1941, Hitler decided to completely exterminate European Jews.
It is an incorrect statement: the term “European Jews” had never been mentioned by Hitler or any Nazi leader. In fact, it does not appear in any primary source.
Here the full quote of Hitler in December 1941:
What Hitler said about the Jewish question on December 12, 1941 is reported: “In respect of the Jewish question, the Fuehrer has decided,” so says Goebbels, “to make a clean sweep. The world war is here, the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary result. This question is to be regarded without sentimentalism. We are not here to have sympathy with the Jews, but rather with our German people. If the German people have sacrificed 160,000 dead in the eastern campaign, so the authors of this bloody conflict will have to pay for it with their lives.”
Comment by Jennifer Tanabe on November 27th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Thank you, Edith, for your feedback. The article is being revised based on your comments. The term “European Jews” may be incorrect. It is used in the Yad Vashem site, and in the article that appeared in the “Berliner Zeitung” in 1997. Of course, it was primarily European Jews who suffered during the holocaust, and at whom the “Final Solution” was primarily directed. This would explain the historical inaccuracies in many secondary accounts.
Comment by edith Shaked on January 19th, 2021 at 10:57 pm
“it was primarily European Jews who suffered during the holocaust, and at whom the “Final Solution” was primarily directed.”
Incorrect statement.
Correct statement: It was primarily JEWS in continental Europe who suffered during the Holocaust, two out of three Jews there were murdered. The Final Solution was the Nazi code name to murder EVERY Jew, within reach, as per Yehuda Bauer, academic advisor at Yad Vashem, CHristopher Browning, Longerich, the ushmm and others.
Comment by Jennifer Tanabe on January 20th, 2021 at 12:58 pm
Thank you, Edith, for your continued discussion of this point. As noted, “European Jews” refers to Jews residing in continental Europe. And, since the Nazi regime was located in Europe, failing to take over the world, the “Final Solution” being aimed at Jews “within reach” would seem to mean that its main impact was on Jews in continental Europe. Of course, had Hitler taken over more of the world, these genocidal efforts might well have been expanded further into countries such as the UK and Ireland, as the article suggests. In that sense, “primarily directed” might be better expressed as “initially directed.” As it turned out, it was Jews in Europe who suffered the most during the Holocaust, although some other “undesirables” such as Roma, homosexuals, the mentally or physically disabled, and so forth, who should not be forgotten.
Comment by Edith Shaked on August 17th, 2021 at 11:53 am
Jews within reach does not men Jews in continental Europe. I means within reach of Nazi Germany and it’s collaborators, inclusive of the Vichy government that controlled and persecuted the Jews in Vichy North Africa, by including them in the TWO antisemitic statute of the Jews, enacted by Nazi collaborator marshal Petain. Nazi regime bothered to deport by boats Jews in islands in Asia, stopping on the way, to pick up the only Jews in a Greek island (as per Yad Vashem. From the boats, Nazi regime transported the Jews from Asia in train to Auschwitz, as per Gerhard Weinberg and yad Vashem. On November, Germany invaded Vichy Tunisia and persecuted the Jews, like they did in Nazi occupied Poland. They were building crematoria.
Comment by Edith Shaked on August 17th, 2021 at 12:48 pm
the Vichy government controlled and persecuted the Jews in Vichy North Africa, by including them in the TWO antisemitic statute of the Jews, enacted by Nazi collaborator marshal Petain. Nazi regime bothered to deport by boats Jews in islands in Asia, stopping on the way, to pick up the only Jews in a Greek island (as per Yad Vashem. From the boats, Nazi regime transported the Jews from Asia in train to Auschwitz, as per Gerhard Weinberg and yad Vashem. On November, Germany invaded Vichy Tunisia and persecuted the Jews, like they did in Nazi occupied Poland. They were building crematoria.
Comment by Jennifer Tanabe on August 19th, 2021 at 9:05 am
Thank you Edith for your comment and continued interest in NWE.
I will review your points and adjust the text as appropriate.
Thank you again for taking the time to help make NWE a valuable information resource.
Comment by Edith Shaked on December 31st, 2021 at 4:02 am
The following is more accurate:
The Holocaust is the name applied to the politic, ideological systematic persecution and genocide of the Jews, other minority groups, those considered enemies of the state and also the disabled and mentally ill of Europe, including Europe’s French and Italian territories in North Africa, between 1933 and 1945, by Nazi Germany and its collaborators, in the Nazi attempt to create a racist world dominated by the “Aryans”. … Nazi ideology behind the Holocaust, and Hitler’s concept of a racially pure, superior race did not have room for any whom he considered to be inferior. Jews, the main enemy, were, in his view, not only racially sub-human but traitors involved in a timeless plot to dominate the world for their own purposes.
At the center of the Holocaust, was the “SHOAH, the Holocaust of the Jewish people, the attempt to annihilate the Jewish people,” wherever Jews could be found in the world.
The Holocaust resulted with the murder of 6 million Jews, one third of the Jewish people, and millions of others.
The biblical word Shoa (????), also spelled Shoah and Sho’ah, meaning “catastrophe” in Hebrew language,
The Holocaust was geographically widespread and systematically conducted in virtually all areas of Nazi-occupied territory, and in territories under the Nazi sphere of influence, where Jews and other victims were targeted in what are now 35 separate European nations and four North African nations (which were European territories in North Africa during the Holocaust: Vichy France Tunisia/Algeria/Morocco, and Italian Libya.
Documented evidence clearly shows, that the Nazis planned to carry out their “final solution,” the Nazi plan to annihilate the Jewish people, all over the world, to create “a world without Jews.”
Nazi-inspired antisemitic legislation enacted by the French collaborationist Vichy government was also implemented in Vichy France Morocco, VF Algeria, and VF Tunisia in French North Africa (Also called “France on the other side of the Mediterranean), which was de facto and de jure ruled by the French government of the Nazi satellite, Vichy France under Marshall Petain. In Italian Libya, ruled by Hitler’s ally, Benito Mussolini, thousands were sent to concentration camps, particularly the camp in Giado near Tripoli; Jews with foreign citizenship were sent to concentration camps in Europe. The Farhud, violent and murderous attacks against Jews incited by Nazi propaganda, took place in pro-German Iraq.
Hitler and the Jews
Antisemitism in the 1920s and 1930s (though its roots go back much further) was common not only in “Europe, including the North African colonies,” (as per Yehuda Bauer, the Deann of Holocaust Studies and the European Holocaust Research Infrastructure – EHRI), but all over the world, including the USA.
The following figures from Lucy Dawidowicz show the annihilation of the Jewish population of Europe by (pre-war) country:[8]
Please add: 700 Jews in Vichy France Tunisia; 650 in Italian Libya as per the list at the Shoah exhibit at Block 27 (in the national Auschwitz museum in Poland, curated by Yad Vashem and that I visited. Thank you for your kind attention. Eidh Shaked, Advisory Board Member, H-Holocaust
Comment by Jennifer Tanabe on January 11th, 2022 at 6:36 pm
Thank you, Edith, for your comment and continued interest in NWE.
I will review your points and adjust the text as appropriate.
Thank you again for taking the time to help make NWE a valuable information resource.
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